Looking for Busby’s birthplace in Lanarkshire

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On 6 September 2009, Motherwell defeated Manchester United’s reserves to win the Sir Matt Busby Shield.  The charity match was organised to commemorate the centenary of the birth of the first United manager to achieve “legend” status.  Busby was born on 26 May 1909 in Orbiston, now part of Bellshill, which lies a couple of miles north of Motherwell in North Lanarkshire.  Funds raised will provide scholarships to help people from Lanarkshire take their first steps as football coaches.

Having stumbled across a preview of the match in the Telegraph, I wondered how easy it would be to locate exactly where Busby was born.  In what appears to be a recurring theme with sporting landmarks, checking out one sporting connection threw up several others.

Orbiston

A Google search quickly provides a wealth of support for Orbiston, Bellshill, Lanarkshire as the birthplace of the manager of the first English club to win the European Cup (in 1968).  Controversially, manchesterunited.co.uk places Orbiston in England!

Around the time of Busby’s birth, Orbiston was a small mining village of just 30 houses.  Although neighbouring Bellshill had a two-ward hospital from the 1870’s, local sources take pride in the fact that it set up Lanarkshire’s first maternity hospital in 1917 – eight year’s after Busby birth.  In the early 20th century, before the NHS, hospital births were the exception rather than the rule – especially for the working class – so Busby would probably have been born at home.

Various sources record Busby’s father as Alexander Busby.  The 1901 Census reveals a family of Busby’s living in “Old Orbiston Road” in the Bellshill district.  The transcript of the census return currently available online doesn’t appear to identify which house in Old Orbiston Road the Busby family lived.

The head of the family was a 66-year old coal miner Alexander.  He had a son – or perhaps a grandson? – also called Alexander, who was 13 at the time of the census.  This teenage Alexander, who would have been about 22 in 1909, is presumably Matt’s father.

Alexander is clearly something of a family name in the Busby family.  Officially, Matt was Alexander Matthew Busby.  In its report on the Busby Shield match, The Bellshill Speaker notes that Sir Matt’s son is a Sandy – a common short form for Alexander.

Matt’s father fought in the First World War. Private Alexander Busby, S20225, of the 7th Batallion, Queens on Cameron Highlanders, was killed in action in France on 23 April 1917.  He is commemorated  at The Arras Memorial at Faubourg-D´Amiens Cemetery, Arras.  The (somewhat damaged) military records that can be accessed for him online specifically record Matt and his sisters as his children and next-of-kin.  Matt’s birthday of 26 May 1909 is also noted.

Alexander’s British Army Enlistment Attestation, dated 7 September 1914 – within days of the declaration of war, confirms that he had been a miner and gives his family’s address as “26 Old Orbiston”.  So where is “Old Orbiston” today?

Orbiston appears to have undergone significant redevelopment in the 20th century.  There is an Orbiston Road that borders Bellshill Golf Club.  Matt is also commemorated in the naming of the nearby Busby Road and the Sir Matt Busby Sports Complex in Bellshill town centre.

But Google Maps doesn’t recognise “Old Orbiston” or “Old Orbiston Road”.

ScottishMining.co.uk, a website that records the history of Scottish mining, reveals that the Summerlee Iron Co Ltd which ran the Orbiston Mine in 1910 owned 191 houses in five clusters in the area.  Two of the clusters are described as “New Orbiston Rows” and “Old Orbiston Rows”.  If the latter included the birthplace of Matt, the website gives us a picture of the home he was born into:

1. Old Orbiston Rows:-

16 One-apartment houses Rental £5 6s

16 Two-apartment houses Rental £7 7s

* One storey, brick built, back to back – Erected about 70 years ago – no damp-proof course – Plastered on brick – Brick floors in kitchen, worn and dilapidated, wood floors, unventilated, in rooms of two-apartment houses – Many internal walls damp, and plaster crumbling

* No overcrowding – apartments large

* No garden ground – no wash houses – no coal cellars

* One ashpit and two privies at end of row; one ashpit and two privies at rear of back row; one ashpit between rows

* No sinks – drainage by open channels

* Water supply from standpipes in front

* Scavenged at owners’ expense

via 1910 Housing – Scottish Mining Website.

From humble beginnings…

So although Old Orbiston Rows have disappeared from modern maps, Sportinglandmarks is grateful to a number of local people who share an interest in locating Matt’s birthplace.

At the end of 2012, Sportinglandmarks was contacted by Graham Bell from Orbiston. Graham noted that Busby’s home was situated on land now occupied by the Orb pub on Orbiston road. He suggested that a wall from the row of houses stood for a number of years and a wall from one of the other Orbiston Rows can still be seen further along Strachan Street, incorporated into lockups garages.

In August 2013, Alexander Lochars kindly share the fruits of his own diligent research which has included contacting local authorities and heritage centres.  By overlaying the 1913 Ordnance Survey Map on its modern equivalents, the Planning and Building Standards Services of South Lanarkshire Council located Old Orbiston just under half a mile to the south of the Orb Pub. See Alexander’s input in the comments below.

A number of possibilities come to mind for the discrepancy between the house numbers recorded in the 1911 Census seen by Alexander Lochars (but not by Sportinglandmarks) and the Matt’s father’s Army records. As the Busby’s lived in property rented from the Summerlee Iron Co, its not impossible that they may have moved, or been moved for some reason.  Another plausible possibility is that whoever completed the enlistment form – its not clear whether its in Alexander Busby’s own writing or that of the attesting officer – may have incorrectly noted the house number.  As Busby enlisted in the very early days of the War, the recruitment centre was likely to have been very busy.


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Olympian

Matt himself has an Olympic connection in that he was manager of the Great Britain football team at the 1948 Games in London.  As a Scot, it would be fascinating to hear Busby’s view of the initial plans for an all-English “British” team for London 2012.

Other sporting connections

Wikipedia cites a 1996 TV documentary that claimed that both Jock Stein and Bill Shankly – two other football managers who distinguished themselves in European tournaments – were born in Bellshill.  Yet the Wikipedia entries for Stein and Shankly tell a slightly different story.

Stein, who twice managed Celtic including when they became the first British club to win the European Cup in 1967, was born on 5 October 1922 in Burnbank, (South) Lanarkshire. Another former mining village, Burnbank is about three miles from Orbiston and Bellshill.

Shankly led Liverpool to its first European trophy, the 1973 UEFA Cup, and laid the foundations for five European Cup wins.  He was born in Glenbuck, (East) Ayrshire, on 2 September 1913.  As the crow flies, Glenbuck is around 25 miles due south.  Nevertheless, its quite remarkable that three managers that made such an impact on soccer during the 1960s and 70s should all come from such a small area.

Bellshill has continued to contribute to top-flight football. Celtic legend Billy McNeil (1940), John Reid (1947) the former government minister and Chairman of Celtic and Ally McCoist (1962) former player and current manager at Rangers were also born in Bellshill.

With this propensity to create footballers, the question is, is there is some strange property in the local water?  If so, Britain’s rowers and other water sport enthusiasts should take note!  Just across the Bellshill golf course from Orbiston is Strathclyde Park which hosts the National Rowing Championships every three years or so.  The loch was also the venue the last time rowing was officially part of the Commonwealth Games in 1986.  Having won three Commonwealth gold medals – in the single scull, coxless pair and coxed four – Steve Redgrave can add the distinction of having been a reigning triple Commonwealth Games champion for more than 20 years to his more widely remembered Olympic titles.

6 thoughts on “Looking for Busby’s birthplace in Lanarkshire

  1. Hello
    Regarding the birthplace of Matt Busby. His house was situated on grounds which is now the Orb pub on Orbiston road. There remained a wall from the house for a number of years. The rows can still be seen further along Strachan Street which have been incorporated into garage lockups

    Graham Bell
    Orbiston
    Bellshill

  2. An 1898 map shows Orbiston Road (the top 100 yards of this road still exists to-day and is
    where the Hub pub is situated. I can find no record of any road called “Old Orbiston Road”.

    A 1911 Census record states that there were seven people residing in 28 Old Orbiston (the word Road
    is not mentioned in this record). The seven people are listed as being : Alexander Busby (father),
    Nellie Busby (mother), Matt Busby, Delia Busby (sister), and three members of the Greer family.
    Greer was Matt’s mothers’ maiden name.

    The Birth Records record that Matthew Busby was born at 3:50AM on 27 May 1909 at 28 Old Orbiston,
    Bellshill. (again, the word “Road” is not mentioned).

    Quote: “Alexander’s British Army Pension Record also confirms that he had been a miner and gives his
    family’s address as “26 Old Orbiston”. So where is “Old Orbiston” today?”
    Reply: Alexander Busby died during World War 1 23/04/1917, so how did a dead man collect a pension ! And, I can find no record of him ever residing at number 26 Old Orbiston.

    A previous communication states that Matt’s place of birth is now the Hub pub ! This statement is in-correct. A 1910 Ordnance Survey map shows that Old Orbiston was approximately 700 yards South of the Orb pub. However, New Orbiston miners houses were situated across the road from the Hub pub.

    On a modern map, the centre of Old Orbiston has been replaced by a road called Community Rd., Orbiston, Bellshill. And the map co-ordinates are : +55º 48′ 30.00”, -04º 1′ 48.00”

    My search to date has taken me to a number of Council Authorities, Library’s, Heritage Centres and even the Summerlee Iron Works Museum in my quest to locate a map, or a plan that shows the house numbers for the Old Orbiston miners houses. So far I have been unsuccessful. So, the search continues !

  3. Update to last reply

    I have received a map from the Planning and Building Standards Services of South Lanarkshire Council.

    What they have done is taken an OS 1910-1913 map and cunningly made it transparent then placed it over the top of a 2013 OS map. By doing this you can see exactly where Old Orbiston was situated in to-days modern street map.

    If you would like me to forward you a copy of this map, then please let me know.

  4. Alexander’s Army records were found on Ancestry.co.uk. They are categorised as “Pension Records” by Ancestry, but the specific document I referred to was in fact Alexander’s enlistment. I’ve updated the text to clarify this. Also, see my speculation about possible causes of the discrepancies between the house number recorded by the Army and the 1911 Census.

  5. I’d like to know more about sir matt busbys family background as I am a distant relative if anyone can help please

  6. Thanks for taking the trouble to contact me. I don’t personally have much more detail about Matt Busby’s ancestors or descendents than the information in the post. However, I have taken a quick look at ancestry.co.uk and there are several “Public Member Trees” that feature Matt, so some of them may provide links to your own family. (If you’re not a member of Ancestry, they do quite regularly make “free access for limited period” offers, often around the times of TV programmes such as Who Do You Think You Are, or recently, 1st World War anniversaries. Perhaps they’ll have an offer around Remembrance Sunday? Keep an eye on their website.) If you can get access during one of those offers, you should be able to check out some of those public member trees. Good luck. Ian

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